The Game Of Roses 3: People and goals

“I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.”

The Life and Death of Richard the Third (I.1)

Below are some very early thoughts on victory conditions for the different factions and which historical characters we might use – I think this is from Mid-March or thereabouts.

Factions and their objectives


  • King Henry VII – all rivals dead – might necessitate a Woodville marriage
  • King Edward V – Woodville marriage, Henry Tudor as heir, Lord Protector and Earl of Richmond
  • Henry Tudor as Earl of Richmond – accepted and forgiven, regardless of who is king
  • Henry Tudor dead, imprisoned or still in exile


  • Edward V with Woodville Lord Protector – dead Gloucester
  • Edward V with other Lord Protector
  • Henry VII (either Tudor or Buckingham) with Woodville Queen
  • Dead Edward V and other outcome

Gloucester (depending upon interpretation)

  • Richard III – dead rivals
  • Richard III dependent on Tudor and/or Buckingham
  • Edward V with Richard as Lord Protector
  • Dead


  • Henry VII (Buckingham) with dead/defeated rivals
  • Edward V with Buckingham as Lord Protector
  • Henry VII (Tudor) or Richard III with Buckingham as supporter and dead Hastings
  • Any other outcome


  • Edward V with Hastings as Lord Protector
  • Edward V with Gloucester as Lord Protector
  • Edward V with any Lord Protector
  • Any king but not the murderer of Edward V (‘justice has been done’)
  • Any other outcome


  • Either no king or more than 1 king (Civil War)
  • Edward V with ‘foreign’ bride and Gloucester not Lord Protector
  • Edward V
  • Henry VII (either Tudor or Buckingham) but with foreign alliance
  • Richard III


  • Either Edward V if legitimate with Gloucester as Lord Protector
  • Richard III (if Edward V illegitimate and not murdered by him)
  • A single king – no foreign alliance and not the murderer of Edward V
  • A single king
  • Either no king or more than 1 king (Civil War)

Characters and their factions


  • Margaret Beaufort, lady-in-waiting to Elizabeth Woodville and Henry Tudor’s mother
  • William Smyth, clergyman, confessor to Margaret
  • John Morton, Bishop of Ely and Privy Councillor
  • Thomas FitzAlan, Earl of Arundel and Lord Maltravers
  • John Sutton, Lord Dudley, ageing Constable of the Tower of London
  • Henry Colet, Alderman, Mercer, future Lord Mayor
  • Sir John More, lawyer (father of Thomas)
  • Dr John Argentine, physician for Edward V, provost of King’s College, Cambridge


  • Richard, Duke of Gloucester, younger brother of Edward IV
  • Anne Neville, Gloucester’s wife, daughter of Warwick the Kingmaker
  • Francis Lovell – close friend and associate
  • Cecily Neville, mother of Edward IV and Gloucester
  • Sir Richard Ratcliffe
  • Sir Francis Lovell (soon to be Viscount Lovell)
  • Sir Robert Brackenbury (future Constable of the Tower)
  • Sir Thomas Gower
  • Sir James Tyrell
  • John Wode, MP
  • John de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk (brother-in-law)
  • Elizabeth de la Pole, Duchess of Suffolk (sister)
  • Jack de la Pole, Earl of Lincoln (nephew)


  • Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, descendant of Edward III, overlooked by Edward IV
  • Cardinal Thomas Bourchier, Archbishop of Canterbury
  • William, Viscount Berkeley (made Earl of Nottingham in 1483)
  • Sir Thomas St Leger, widower, had been married to Anne of York (Edward IV’s and Richard III’s sister)
  • John, Lord Howard (future Duke of Norfolk)
  • Sir Edward Grey, Viscount Lisle, brother of Elizabeth Woodville’s 1st husband
  • Ralph Banastre
  • Sir Edward Brampton, a converted Portuguese Jew, naval expert


  • William, Lord Hastings, Chamberlain of England and friend of Edward IV
  • Jane Shore, former mistress of Edward IV now mistress of Hastings
  • William Catesby, lawyer and chief advisor to Hastings (later ‘spies’ for Richard III – becomes one of his closest advisors, Speaker of the Commons, executed after Bosworth)
  • Thomas Stanley, Earl of Derby, Steward of the Royal Household for Edward IV so a Privy Councillor, fought with Gloucester against Scots
  • Sir Thomas Montgomery, Knight of the Garter
  • John Russell, Bishop of Lincoln, future Lord Chancellor
  • Sir William Parr, Controller of the Royal Household
  • John, Lord Dynham, Hastings’ deputy – served Edward IV, Richard III (Captain of Calais) and Henry VII (Lord Treasurer)
  • Oliver King, lawyer
  • John Forster, lawyer


  • Elizabeth Woodville, Edward IV’s Queen
  • Elizabeth of York, eldest daughter of Elizabeth and Edward IV
  • Anthony Woodville, Earl Rivers, brother of Elizabeth and Guardian/Uncle of Edward V
  • Thomas Grey, Marquis of Dorset, son of Elizabeth from 1st marriage and half-brother to Edward V, rival of Hastings
  • Sir Richard Grey, son of Elizabeth from 1st marriage and half-brother to Edward V
  • Edward Woodville, soldier and sailor, made Admiral in 1483, took half the Royal Treasury, later fiend to Tudor and Brittany
  • Lionel Woodville, Bishop of Salisbury
  • Katherine Woodville, wife of the Duke of Buckingham
  • Thomas Rotherham, Archbishop of York and Lord Chancellor


  • A Papal Legate
  • Pierre Landais, a Breton (ambassador of Francis II, Duke of Brittany – have control of Henry Tudor)
  • A Burgundian (maybe Margaret of York, Dowager Duchess of Burgundy and sister of Edward IV and Richard III)
  • Anthony, the Bastard of Burgundy, famous jouster and half-brother of late Duke of Burgundy, Charles the Bold
  • A Scotsman (ambassador of James III)
  • Tristan de Salazar, Archbishop of Sens, a Frenchman (ambassador of Louis XI to Henry VII in 1490)
  • Dominic Mancini, Italian chronicler, writing report for Angelo Cato, Archbishop of Vienna an advisor of Louis XI


  • William Waynflete, Bishop of Winchester, owner of Southwark (‘Winchester’s geese’ – London prostitutes)
  • Andrew Dymock, lawyer – worked for Anthony Woodville amongst others
  • Sir Edmund Shaa, Lord Mayor of London, goldsmith, future privy councillor of Richard III
  • John Esteney, Abbot of Westminster Abbey
  • Piers Curteys, Keeper of the Royal Wardrobe
  • Dr Ralph Shaa, lawyer, brother of the Lord Mayor
  • William Daubeney, Clerk of the Jewel House in Tower of London
  • Rauf Bigod, Master of the King’s Ordinance
  • Sir Richard Gardiner, former Mayor, Mercer

And a whole lot more that Duncan hasn’t had time to attribute….

Characters and their own goals


Characters and their levers.

TBD, but…

Each character *should* have one or more levers on the action. These will, for some, include a vote in one or more of the Privy Council, the Star Chamber and the Parliament.

Then there’s access to other characters. Edward V and Henry Tudor will not be in play and decisions regarding what happens to them will have to be communicated through the ‘God’ tent. Access to Edward V will be reserved for Gloucester (as Uncle and possibly Lord Protector and/or King), the Constable of England (office held by Richard III and given by him to Buckingham, then held by Thomas Stanley), and the Constable of the Tower of London (held by Thomas Grey, Marquis of Dorset, a Woodville and half-brother of Edward V and then given to Robert Brackenbury an associate of Richard III). Henry Tudor is in Brittany, vassal Dukedom of France.

Next time…

More on levers.

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